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Sale or Trade / Re: nice Voice 'o Music 1571 turntable
« on: Today at 02:00:02 PM »
$25 + shipping?
Hate to throw this in the dumpster, don't wish to play my record collection on a turntable that tracks a ceramic cartridge at 3-4 grams. Can anyone use?

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RCA / Re: RCA victor 1VF507
« on: Today at 01:41:47 PM »
I like almost all kinds of music, excepting rap, Euro-trash/trance, and much modern pop and formulaic-plastic country. My favorites are big-band, '20s to '60s standards, classical orchestral and Italian-mostly opera, jazz, blues and old-time country & bluegrass, so pretty eclectic. To my ears at least I've always found vocal and small groups/ensembles/bands to be the easiest to reproduce accurately, and large orchestral and choral pieces the most difficult, it's massive complexity, massed strings and large chorales particularly, to be very challenging and difficult for audio equipment to reproduce well, it really separates the men from the boys. It's the kind of sit-down serious stuff that demands more attention but one doesn't tend to casually listen to that kind of thing when doing housework anyway!

For those who haven't seen it the 1960 Consumer Reports on consoles is very interesting, I was intrigued that the highest rated of 35 consoles tested, in the $189.95 to $399.95 price range, was a Webcor, and of the top rated 6, 4 of them were Webcor (the others were Fisher Electra (Garrard rc) and Hoffman (Webcor rc)  Their biggest beef  overall was poor record changer performance ie; excessive rumble, flutter, wow &c, (they liked the Webcor changer best) and they also felt 6' to be minimum for speaker separation for a true stereo image from across a 15' room, which, while probably true if one sits in one ideal spot to listen, most people don't do, nowadays at least. Excessive current leakage in a number of models was a major no-no also.

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RCA / Re: RCA victor 1VF507
« on: January 22, 2019, 10:33:16 AM »
I've never seen nor heard a really top shelf Maggie, but would like to. The PPP amps certainly look impressive. I'd venture a guess that so-so bass performance might be at least partially attributable to output transformer design and/or size. For example the 1962-64 Scott 222c and 222d pp 4 x 6BQ5 amps have HUGE very high quality output transformers (for an EL84 amp), in-house wound by HHScott themselves, quite unusual in the industry, and their low-bass reproduction with speakers capable of good 20 to 100 Hz response is really prodigious! They are one of the best sonically balanced, from bottom to top of the audible range, of any 6BQ5 amp I've heard, a quality that many ascribe to the excellence of the transformers as well as the entire circuit design. Of course the speaker component and enclosure design part of the equation also play a major part.

Again, one wouldn't expect $250-500 low-to-mid range range models to have that level of refinement, and honestly, 95% of the time, for the kind of listening we do nowadays we're fine with that, as it also was for most folks back in the day... one doesn't wish to listen to Beethoven's 9th or Stairway to Heaven at concert levels all that often anyway, my ears can't take that anymore! lol

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Chat / Re: The old GE radio
« on: January 22, 2019, 10:10:20 AM »
Ed, it's funny to hear about Baynesville Elctronics!  We lived about 3-4 miles West, 1 block S of Joppa Rd and 1 block West of Charles St.  I loved Baynesville and went there as often as I could talk Dad or Mom into taking me, then rode my bike over when older. A bonus was that the 1st McDonalds I ever went to was next door (though I always liked Gino's on York Rd better!) and that was always fun too!  I'd heard Baynesville had closed, a shame.

We're lucky, being my present town was the birthplace of IBM and they had 15,000 employees here and 3 plants: Endicott, Glendale, and Owego (Federal Systems, now Lockheed Martin), and we were and are still the home of McIntosh, there's a huge electronics legacy and lots of active retiree-hobbiests, so we still have a great electronics store. Once there were 3 or 4, and of course almost everything now is about computers and phones, but they still have all the components too ala Mouser, very handy when you need something.

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RCA / Re: RCA victor 1VF507
« on: January 20, 2019, 03:21:57 PM »
Get that, but at the high end, consoles should have higher performance.  it's surprising that S-C was one of the few makers that decided more performance out of their speakers wouldn't be a bad thing. I can't recall what the speaker configurations of our old President or Futura were, it's been 20+ years and I've long since forgotten but I do recall thinking that relative to the electronics the speaker components themselves were not all that impressive. The overall sound was certainly acceptable, however for $2000+ in 1962 acceptable should not have been sufficient, excellence could be reasonably expected. An SA-300b pp EL34 amplifier, 400cx preamp, Miracord TT, Ampex 202 deck were components deserving of top notch speaker performance, and imo that aspect was lacking.

Something else I've seen over decades did have sealed/ported speakers, it might have been a Pilot that a friend had. What more expensive Ampex, Scott &c &c consoles had, I'm not sure, not having seen one in the flesh. But it seems like a missed opportunity to me, the cost would have been relatively minimal, and certainly some buyers would have wanted both attractive cabinetry & top notch sound, particularly in the higher price categories beauty and sonic excellence need not be mutually exclusive. However for $3 to 400, the vast middle, compromise would be expected. My own better half does not like the look of components sitting out in the living room, and she also has very limited tolerance of second rate reproduction, being highly musical herself, a combination that has been accommodated by high-grade tube componentry installed in a custom console cabinet and free standing speaker. Myself I'm happy with your garden-variety console as it came from the maker in a cabinet design I enjoy for more casual listening. YMMV.

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RCA / Re: RCA victor 1VF507
« on: January 19, 2019, 10:50:14 AM »
I always wondered why the Mfr'rs didn't use ported closed speaker enclosures in their consoles, as that design had been around for a long time and was efficient and gave far superior low frequency range - think Altec, JBL - and worked well with lower power tube amps. The only consoles I've seen like that were Stromberg Carlson that had a weird heavy paperboard cabinet with labyrinth port-horn design that enclosed the speakers and were set in either end of the console in a cavity on a heavy insulation mat. It did work well and sounded excellent, but I guess was cost prohibitive for most Mfr'rs or was it about vibration conduction? The bass did suffer in that RCA and would have benefited from a sealed ported design. Otherwise the sound was good, if thin.

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RCA / Re: RCA victor 1VF507
« on: January 17, 2019, 11:35:49 AM »
I once had a similar RCA we got free, ours had the tall hutch-style cabinet with the speakers up top, and the same  tuner/head unit with the linear eye tube as shown here was mounted so it could be tilted out, and the TT pulled out in a drawer. Iirc thewoofers were 10" or 12", and can't recall now if it was a 2 or 3 way.
The sound was OK, probably limited by the open back hi-mounted speakers. Ours was in a formal cabinet style, but have also seen them in Danish modern. Because of the high back, about 5+ ft high, it didn't work in our house so we gave it to an appreciative relative after getting it up and working well, the record player needed the usual cleaning &c.

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Sale or Trade / nice Voice 'o Music 1571 turntable
« on: January 15, 2019, 11:57:32 AM »
Working VOM 1571 turntable, has the 11 inch platter, 45 rpm spindle adapter, very nice condition, has good Astatic 17D cart with flip over Diamond needle (available new for $7), all original so would benefit from the usual clean and lube, this was one of their nicer models so worth the time. Replacing it with a newer Dual.

$35 + transport.
Please let me know here if interested, can take PayPal to Family & Friends,
thanks,
RogerA

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Other Tube Console Brands / Re: 1962 VOM model 868
« on: January 15, 2019, 11:42:12 AM »
Thanks for the replies!
Been checking things out, the TT works but I'm going to replace it with a Dual 1009 I've had kicking around for years, as I want my LPs coddled the best I can, so I'll make the VOM one available to anyone who needs one, in the Sale category. Everything fires up, it had been used semi- regularly so the seller demo-ed it, safely it seems. But like all of them will need the usual re-cap &c &c. Sounds pretty good though, even the FM works!

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Other Tube Console Brands / Re: 1962 VOM model 868
« on: January 13, 2019, 03:22:27 PM »
Previous pic of Owner's Manual.

Here's the tuner section and the amp - tubes removed for cleaning and testing.
5u4 rectifier, 4 x 6BQ5 (look like GE) and 12ax7, also GE

Looks like a fairly decent 12" speaker, above it unseen is an angled 3" tweeter.

The seller said he'd been advertising this on several occasions and for several months,
with zero response, likely because of the out-of-fashion French Provincial cabinet, so I
saved it from a certain landfill fate, he said he was about done and wanted it gone, even if it meant scrapping it, making me wonder why he priced it at $100 it as he did.

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Fisher / Re: Fisher in the Wild?
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:54:47 PM »
And there still is... I'm hoping this unknown model Fisher is one of them. Worst case it may be a hybrid unit, but even those can have some good Telefunken tubes, Fishers often do, in my experience, even "lowly" Electras.

The one "really" good local find I've had since moving from VT to here was found when I went to look at a free Magnavox console from CL. It was one of their smaller-ish 62-ish tube models with a cabinet that was totally beat, splitting and de-laminating veneer, after years of outdoor storage. I loaded it in the wagon to rescue the innards, I think it's the only cabinet I've ever broken up and trashed, no way it could be saved.  Then I asked him, like I always do, if he knew of anyone with tube stuff of ANY sort. He said he thought a friend did, and he gave them a call right then.

They did have some and said I could come over, about 10 minutes away, so we drove there, to a modest and not very well maintained small 1920s house. A 40-ish lady answered and said she had some stuff that her Dad (deceased) had. Well... it turned out to be a pair of McIntosh MC-60 amps, and a Fisher 202 amp he had been using as preamp for the Macs!

I had to contain myself, pretty hard to do. Of course McIntosh is based right here where I  live, so their stuff is around, still, I never expected to stumble into some this way, and what I usually see advertised here is very pricey!  I gave her a fair and decent price for them, I don't like to be a chiseler, and it looked like she could use the funds. But I knew their value and since I didn't have any real need for super high-end audio stuff, I'm fine with a console or 2 and  my little Scott amp in my home-made console, I sold the stuff off & still made a decent profit. The Mc 60 amps ended up in  Brazil!

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Chat / Re: Buck/boost transformers
« on: January 13, 2019, 02:29:14 PM »
Chris - you're smart to run that AA100 with a fan, they are notorious for cooking their PCBs and those 7591s do put out some major heat! I had one some years ago and liked that light bar over the controls. The AA-151s and AA-32s I've had didn't have the heat problem since they are all point to point and used smaller and lower power 6BQ5 and 6GW8 output tubes.

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Fisher / Re: Fisher in the Wild?
« on: January 12, 2019, 06:36:26 PM »
I've had good luck with it, mostly 10+ yrs ago. However it never hurts, and a few big hits in the lottery are what keeps you coming back!

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Other Tube Console Brands / Re: 1962 VOM model 868
« on: January 12, 2019, 02:36:09 PM »
Will get some pics tomorrow, meantime it did come with this, and 2 hang-tags indicating that it has a Certified Hardwood Cherrywood cabinet.

While a fairly modest unit, I'm very impressed with the construction quality of the cabinet,
it's on par with mid-line Fisher French Provincial we had 25 or so years ago, and quite heavy for its size. Solid wood with no particle board anywhere. These sold for around $350 without the optional AM/FM tuner, which this one does have. Clearly some of that went into a very attractive and well built cabinet. More on the guts later.

Roger in NY

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Sale or Trade / Re: 1958 Fisher President for sale
« on: January 12, 2019, 02:25:08 PM »
Thank you. Nice looking unit, and uncommon for sure.

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