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It is unloaded and up on the bench.  It arrived in fine fettle.  The only thing that moved was the sliders, both top and front.  I have started my preliminary inspection.  Nothing really out of the ordinary at this point.  There has been some sloppy work done on this thing at some point.  The rectifier socket was replaced, is the wrong configuration and will not fit the hole properly, so it is only held on with one bolt.  The rectifier sits with a list to starboard.  The amp chassis, a model 9302-10, only has one of its four retaining bolts in residence.  The MPX chassis only has two of its four.  There is no wiring retainer in residence anywhere in the cabinet.  Most of the bolts are missing from the back and the shield on the IF strip is missing from the radio tuner.  Many, if not most, of the tubes have been replaced.  There are at least three Radio Shack Lifetime tubes in the amp.  I am going  to check all the tubes, make sure they are in their correct locations, and check every inch of the wiring for condition and correctness.  Then I will use the dim bulb and Variac and power up carefully.  I want to test the 27ZP4 picture tube to make sure it is good.  I got my B&K model 445 picture tube tester out today and will read up on how to test a picture tube.  Never done one in my life that I remember.  I have had the picture tube tester since 1987 and have never used it.  The picture tube is Magnavox branded, EIA coded 274, with is RCA, and date coded for the 25th week of 1962, consistent with other codes we have found.  There was some speculation that this might be a replacement tube, but it appears to be the original. 

It does, indeed!   :)

Chat / Re: Where is everybody?
« on: July 15, 2018, 01:15:24 PM »
We just returned from a four-day jaunt to Michigan.  850 miles +/- from here one way.  Gorgeous weather, beautiful lakes you can see all the way to the bottom, lot of folks, but this is tourist season up there.  We brought home some smoked fish, cherries, family stuff.  And my new old Stereo Theater.  We got to spend a few minutes with Bill and got to see his collection.  We crammed a lot into a few days, and did not have time to see all we wanted or to go everywhere we wanted.  This trip could have taken two weeks and we still could not have covered everything.  A most enjoyable and worthwhile little mini-vacation.

The pictures of the top of the cabinet on my ST.

The finish has had a hard life on the top for some reason.  In digging around and using Windex on the cabinet, I'm beginning to believe that the dark material you see is not finish, but is just dirt.  The lighter part is the finish, but is terribly dry.  I was prepared to refinish the entire cabinet, but now I'm beginning to wonder if a good cleaning and some orange oil might put most of the cabinet in good shape.  I believe it more expedient to replace the grille cloth.  The wife does not like it, the ends don't match the front and it's dirty, so there you go. The sliders are beyond hope to save the original finish.  It appears somebody used lacquer thinner in an attempt to clean the sliders and removed the finish.  Those and perhaps the top rails of the cabinet will need help.  The wood is an open-grain type "Natural Walnut" and has a semi-dull type finish.  Not like the lush, oily finish typically found on a Magnavox cabinet.  We'll see as the project progresses how this all plays out.

The sliders on top and the sliding doors on the front are missing much of their felt bumpers.  The sliding doors in front run very roughly in their tracks.  Methinks the felt bumpers on the bottom of the doors are gone or in bad shape.

Help is coming tomorrow morning to help unload the ST and put it up on the bench.

This is like Christmas morning!  I have waited a long time for this occasion.  I'm thrilled to have this old ST.  Words are not adequate to express how thrilled..... :)

I've been tinkering with the remote control chassis that came with the ST.  What an ingenious Rube Goldberg contraption that is!  When you press the button on the remote, a relay closes, pushing down on a little ratchet mechanism, turning a function switch, causing something (hopefully) to happen.  Ions more simple than the Phantom Control in the Concert Grand.  The remote controls volume in three or four stages, on and off, and changes channels.  You can vary how loud the volume within those stages are with the main volume control.  Quite the setup.   :)

Before I make reference to this stuff and nobody knows what I'm talking about, I'd like to mention this.

There was some "optional equipment" included in the Stereo Theater transaction.  Apparetly, an Astro-Sonic Stereo Theater, with which I was familiar, was parted out.  I've seen dates of 10-65 on different items, so we'll say it was a 1965 Stereo Theater with Magnacolor.  It was a roundie and had a fairly significant cataract on the CRT, but was otherwise nice.  I now own the tuner assembly, model 402-20-20.  It is a six-knobber, so it is close to top of the line.  I'm thinking either the 75 watt version or the 100 watt one.  You Astro-Sonic guys jump in here and bail me out if you'd be so kind.... :-[

Also included were both the horns and the 15" woofers.  And the remote control chassis.  AND.....TWO remote control units, with brackets!  And all the knobs from the stereo and the TV.  And the trim bezel for the tuner.  I looked the tuner chassis over pretty well and came to a conclusion.  I need to take a more open-minded attitude toward the Astro-Sonic series of instrument, particularly the early ones.  This thing has point-to-point wiring, has Nichicon capacitors and looks well-built.  This thing is not the junky PCB contraption I expected.  The tube instruments did not have Nichicon caps.  Of course, this one could have been recapped sometime in its life, but I don't see evidence of that.  The 15" speakers have "719" codes on them, so they were made by Carbonneau.  Since I'm going to have the grille cloth out and off, my Stereo Theater may gain a pair of 15" woofers during its restoration.

Introductions / Re: Hi from Des Moines
« on: July 14, 2018, 07:38:41 PM »
Welcome aboard!

Chat / Re: Just Missed The ZOT!
« on: July 14, 2018, 07:38:18 PM »
I hope everything is okay.  And that you are okay.  Lightning is a freaky thing sometimes.

And root beer!   :)

The adventure of the search was exciting, but the restoration should be more so.  I'll need lots of help and I'll make lots of mis-steps.  There is unchartered territory in this ST.   :)

You got it! 

Other Solid State Console Brands / Re: GE Console?
« on: July 14, 2018, 01:31:48 PM »
The one you are supposed to have will fall into your lap.  You will have no choice other than to take it.  I can tell you that from recent experience.  The harder you look, the fewer like the ONE you want there is out there.  Stop looking and it will literally follow you home.  Good luck in your search.   :)

Chat / Re: The friendly corner of the internet
« on: July 14, 2018, 01:24:56 PM »
You can't get enough speed at cranking speed to do much good with a timing light.  And, being 60 years old, the possibility that the ring on the crank pulley has slipped should be considered.  Take the LH valve cover off and rotate the engine to exact top dead center.  On #1 cylinder, both valves should be closed, (on the compression stroke) the piston at the top of the stroke and the distributor should point to #1 spark plug wire.  You should feel a puff of compression when you get to TDC.  This done and verified, then check the timing marks on the crank pulley or harmonic balancer.  With what you just posted being accurate, you should get some response from the engine, if only a fart.  With a valve cover (s) removed, you can also see if the valves are moving.  You could have one or more stuck open valves. 

If you had the car taken to a shop and they could not diagnose a no-start on a 283 Chevy, you should find a different shop.   ;)

Has anybody done a compression test, wet and dry with leakdown? 

The problem has got to be something basic and simple.  Good luck

I don't hear any broken glass clanking around.  I found a dime and a bag of screws on the floor of the trailer, but that was it.  My little Wells Cargo trailer, "Myrtle", rides pretty smoothly, apparently.  It hauled my Symphony and Imperial to Arizona, thru Oklahoma City.  The wheels of the trailer were in the air more than on the ground.  Oklahoma City has THE roughest roads anywhere, even Chicago, and that is saying a lot.  Both of them survived just fine.  We wrapped the ST cabinet in blankets then shrink-wrapped it.  I moved the cabinet around until the casters were not parallel with the sides of the trailer, and it never moved.  This Stereo Theater has been somewhere where it was abandoned for a time.  Lots of dust and dirt.  The dirtier they are, the better they build, in my experience.  Dirt preserves them.  I don't see any mouse pee or signs of moisture, so all should be well as far as that's concerned.  It has the only set of working casters I own.  These, all four, actually roll in the same direction.   ;)

Magnavox built their instrument by module.  They mixed and matched components, depending on what you wanted.  They built their stuff to order.  Their wiring mess is legendary.  They used paper hangers to suspend the wiring semi-neatly, but service personnel and old age have rendered those useless, so the wires dangle wherever they please. 

I now officially am in possession of my Stereo Theater.  I don't have it unloaded yet, as I need to find a couple strong backs.  Bill was right.  This thing is HEAVY.  Heavier than my Concert Grand.  The CRT must weigh 100 pounds by itself.  I hauled my Concert Grand up from Fort Worth on I-49 thru Oklahoma, which I thought was the roughest road on the planet.  I hauled the Stereo Theater on US 31 in Michigan.  If it ever works, it will be a credit to the women in the cornfield in Indiana who put it together.  I drove 1132 miles to get the Concert Grand.  I drove 1464 miles to get the Stereo Theater.  The Stereo Theater only moved about an inch from where we put it in the trailer. 

Bill is the hero in this project.  There are a few surprises I'll share as we go along.  This Stereo Theater definitely needs the "touch" and some TLC.  I'm thinking it will build out fine, pending checking a couple things.

Chat / Re: The friendly corner of the internet
« on: July 14, 2018, 09:10:20 AM »
They put liquid glass in engines for the cash for clunkers program. 

Chris, any relatively competent mechanic over 50 should be able to troubleshoot your Chevy.  You need fuel, air, spark and compression, IN TIME, and it will run.  You Chevy is missing one or more of those elements.  We are talking a 283 Chevy V-8 for pity's sake.  If it sat for years and still have the original timing gears with plastic teeth, there is a good chance it jumped time when you tried to start it.  You have done enough to it that it should at least cough or backfire when you try to start it.  No response whatsoever tells me there is no compression.  Either really dry holes or it is massively out of time.  A compression check is what I would do first. 

Sale or Trade / Re: Shipping info
« on: July 09, 2018, 10:56:12 PM »
I have a little 4X6 Wells Cargo enclosed trailer that I pull behind the rig.  We'll see how that works.  Shipping big stuff is horrendously expensive.  And I don't trust a stranger will have my best interest in mind when he slams a forklift into my new toy.  If I can't go get it, I don't need it.  Maybe you could find somebody closer to where it is who would help you get it closer to where you are.

Where is the console and where are you?

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