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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2017, 01:12:58 AM »
The legs look great! Might have to have some fabbed for my VM.
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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2017, 05:41:13 PM »
Look forward to the electronics restoration, are you going to recap the speaker crossovers at all? I've had great luck with Solen MKPs and I'd love to see what drivers they sourced, I've seen some fishers use Jensens and others use EV drivers.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2017, 06:06:47 PM »
Look forward to the electronics restoration, are you going to recap the speaker crossovers at all? I've had great luck with Solen MKPs and I'd love to see what drivers they sourced, I've seen some fishers use Jensens and others use EV drivers.


Yes, I will be recapping the crossovers, here are pics of the speakers and crossover/L Pads.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2017, 06:37:58 PM »
Looks like Jensen midrange and tweeters, and a CTS woofer. Interesting.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2017, 09:30:01 PM »
The woofer is a Jensen P12N or P. the 220 code is Jensen.
You would think that something this high end would have a JBL or altec.
Jensen was pretty much a solid, but midrange brand.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2017, 09:59:01 PM »
The woofer is a Jensen P12N or P. the 220 code is Jensen.
You would think that something this high end would have a JBL or altec.
Jensen was pretty much a solid, but midrange brand.

Of course, the proof is in the listening, isn't it?  The speaker drivers were typically invisible, so they could use anything that sounded good.  Ancillary devices like changers and tape decks were out there where buyers could look for big names. 

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2017, 12:00:12 PM »
I guess it depends....
Something this expensive, even back then, was an "investment" of sorts.

Not sure i see a huge, broad market. Seems like there was the rich folks who could afford it, didn't care what was in it, just knew it was top of the line and expensive,
or the discerning type who bought it for its "quality" and sound.
The latter would seemingly care about drivers, the former, probably not.
But they had to know that there would be a certain scrutiny to anything "Top of the line".

Either way, ma and pa middleclass weren't strolling into Sears & Roebucks buying one of these.

Maybe it put the price WAY too high. Maybe they did or could have offered "upgrades" to JBL or Altec or EV. Guitar amps in the 60's that used Jensens offered factory "upgrades" to JBL/Altec/EV.

Don't get me wrong, if somebody calls me and says they have a 60's tube Presidente and i can have it for free or cheap, trust me, i'm not saying NO because it only has Jensens.


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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2017, 01:23:05 PM »
At $2800 in 1961 money, the market wasn't huge, nor was it meant to be. 

My executive started life in a greenwich mansion and outside of the radio. I doubt it was used much.  Didn't even have a multiplex installed...  definitely bought as a centerpiece.  Plus the real estate these take up is massive. 

I'd like to know the history on the RCA Mark I I picked up in VA years ago.  That's even bigger than the fisher when the two cabinets are together.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2017, 03:20:18 PM »
Pat, Looking at the Fe Hardware website it appears that your brass legs were custom made.


Where they any more expensive than the standard Stainless Steel?


Did you consider having them make a custom one piece base?



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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2017, 10:05:48 PM »
Pat, Looking at the Fe Hardware website it appears that your brass legs were custom made.


Where they any more expensive than the standard Stainless Steel?


Did you consider having them make a custom one piece base?


Ken, they were custom made as you surmised. Fe will make any legs you need for a one time design charge of around $90 plus the cost of the legs. In this case the legs were simply a material substitution and they had already made them and stowed them in their "extras room". They were expensive at $39 each, but considering they were hand made in California it was fair.


I didn't want to alter the design of the console, so no I didn't consider a cradle or one piece base. It's not about the money for me, but the value of this particular piece warrants taking good care of it.
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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2017, 01:54:37 PM »
$39 each does not seem expensive to me at all for high quality solid brass legs!


I understand your desire to keep the unit as original as possible but seeing that the trim on the bottom is strictly cosmetic, a one piece base, designed to mimic the look of the original seemed like a viable option to me.
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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #26 on: May 24, 2017, 07:31:53 PM »
I think you're probably right on about the base Ken. I was just so excited when I found that Fe was so helpful that I didn't think it through any further. I still have a big Bell & Howell that needs legs, I'll be going through this again with that one.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2017, 09:39:38 AM »
This is a truly incredible find, and nice job on the resto. It has the exact tuner (4000r) of my Futura II and a very similar speaker complement.

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #28 on: September 19, 2017, 09:05:10 AM »
To use a phrase were all familiar with, it's 'Magnificent'

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Re: 1961 Fisher President VI Restoration
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2017, 12:30:53 PM »
The President has reached a critical milestone, the preamplifier, tuner, and both power amps have been completely overhauled and are working beautifully. The unit is fully functional with the exception of the RTR and record changer (saved them for when I have more time). I have it playing through a set of Klipsh RP-280F towers instead of the internal speakers as the room placement isn't ideal for the console (the towers are properly located in the room but are out of view). The present sources of music are a Denon DP-300F with an Ortofon 2M Red cartridge (top left of console), an Amazon Echo Dot that streams Amazon Unlimited to aux1, a second digital input to aux 2 for hooking up other digital sources, and of course the tuner.
The Amazon Echo Dot is a very interesting device, not only can it stream every song ever recorded for $3.99 a month, it's also a very effective voice operated remote control. I am using it to turn the President on and off via a smart outlet. All I have to do is say "Alexa, turn the President on or off" and it does so. This will preserve the original preamp power switch which is still working perfectly. I'm also using the Echo Dot to control my living room Hue lighting which is pretty cool, I highly recommend this $50 device.

I have not posted detail pics of the restoration as I've been limited on free time. All the electrolytics were replaced with new Hayseed Hamfest units except one in the preamp which was replaced with an F&T 50/50 and two Nichicon 10's (the Hayseed cap was too large for the factory clamp and I didn't want to alter the unit). The tubes are all original Telefunkens throughout except for the four outputs which are new Gold Lion KT66's and two NOS RCA's RV4 power amp rectifiers (ST bottles).

The 100 power amps had cooked some of the original wiring attached to their huge multistep resistors, which I replaced. The 400CX pre had a blown fuse which had prevented damage from the failed electrolytics in it, but was all original and in great condition cosmetically. After recapping, cleaning all the pots, and changing the bulbs it is working perfectly. The tuner had numerous weak tubes and was dirty, but otherwise excellent. I was able to remove and wash the dial glass successfully which now looks like new and both of the original Fisher dial lights still work. The signal strength indicator tubes in the tuner are both serviceable, the FM is a little dimmer but not worth replacing.

I'm now officially music ready for the upcoming party and holiday season. I'm wondering if anyone will point out the "Easter Egg". When I have time I will be doing a YouTube video of this beast.
Pat